Comment discussion on what to do about mass shooters..

This U.S. Citizen • 2 days ago

These attacks are nothing more than a military ambush. The US Marines train to react immediately to an ambush. We are trained to "assault through" the ambush. Don't take cover. Don't drop and shoot. Don't retreat. You assault through the ambush. People dying is already a given at the point a shooter like this appears. If people are taught to immediately assault these shooters, yes a few will die but casualties and death will always be minimalized. A much better option than to stand there and answer questions like sheep to the slaughter waiting for someone to decide if you are worthy of living. I will take my chance and assault.

Liberty or Death This U.S. Citizen • 2 days ago

That was my thinking this morning, after hearing this psycho thought it would be cute to interrogate people about their religious affiliation, prior to executing them.
If I am in this situation, I make my peace with the Lord and "roll." I'd like to take my last breath choking the life out of this guy, rather than wait in line for my bullet. In those moments, it would be incredibly difficult to summon the courage to face a man with a gun, and I certainly don't think any less of those who couldn't... but that's what I would hope for in my case.

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  aRdent This U.S. Citizen • 2 days ago

  
  

  The worst possible thing to do in an ambush is "nothing." You are already in the kill zone, so there is no wrong way to move as long as you do it fast and with determination. Hoping the worst will not happen is just as effective as hoping for whirled peas. The problem is most of us are not trained or even vaguely encouraged think in terms of immediate action.
  Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

  
  

  
  
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  God_Guts_Guns This U.S. Citizen • 2 days ago

  
  

  Good luck trying to train a bunch of metrosexual pajama boys to do anything other than pass their pants
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    This U.S. Citizen God_Guts_Guns • 2 days ago

    
    

    Not worried about them. You cannot teach everyone. Just teach your kids and practice thinking about it and walking through it mentally about the scenario. Since 9/11 its something I do on a plane, in crowds, etc. Scenario planning. In a worst case scenario like this, almost anything you do will create a better outcome.

    
    

    

    
    

    Videre Licet God_Guts_Guns • 2 days ago

    
    

    We could train them to drop down, curl in a fetal position and generally get out of our way.

    
    

    
    
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  ShermanLogan This U.S. Citizen • 2 hours ago

  
  

  Great theory, doesn't work so well in practice.
  Marines are trained to work as a group. They are also trained in how to respond when ambushed and at the moment of the ambush are generally expecting it as something that might happen.
  In a scenario like this one, people are surprised, most take at least a few seconds, those critical few first seconds, to even figure out what's going on, much less how to react.
  You also run into the game theory of John Nash. Yes, if we all rush the shooter at once, he gets off only a few shots. But if I charge alone or with only one or two others, I will almost certainly be killed. Whereas if I lay quietly and avoid drawing his attention, I may be one of the lucky survivors.
  IOW, the strategy that is best for the group is not necessarily the best for any of the individuals in that group.
  EDIT: Doesn't mean I don't hope that if I'm ever in this situation I die, if I must, attacking rather than cowering.

  
  
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    This U.S. Citizen ShermanLogan • an hour ago

     

    
    

    Mandatory "shooter/reaction" orientation. Every student, every year. But then again, teaching people to be aggressive vs passive in these situations might not be politically correct. But people keep asking what to do. You cannot ban guns. Background checks and magazine limits will not stop this. Gun free zones is just a stupid concept since only law abiding people follow laws. No, It has to be mitigated when the situation presents itself and the only ones who can do that are those involved. At that point, there are no wrong answers. Deadly force, misdirection, hell just everyone learning to throw every book they have on their desk at them then doing a mad rush will save lives.
    Regarding "You also run into the game theory of John Nash. Yes, if we all rush the
    shooter at once, he gets off only a few shots. But if I charge alone
    or with only one or two others, I will almost certainly be killed.
    Whereas if I lay quietly and avoid drawing his attention, I may be one
    of the lucky survivors."
    I believe you have more chance by being on the offensive rather than hope for the best and leave it up to a lunatic with obvious bad intent and a weapon. No thanks. The shooter has likely only thought about how he would follow his plan. If his plan goes downhill immediately, he is now on a path he probably had not thought through and will be at a disadvantage at that point. Those who have had repeated training or at least discussed the scenario will have better odds than if they had not. You are right, Marines are trained as a group and civilians need to be trained as a group for this particular situation. Their life depends on it.